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'Pockets Of Poison' Still Exist: Holocaust Survivors Reflect On Pittsburgh Shooting

Sam Gottesman, 95, in his Squirrel Hill apartment in Pittsburgh. Gottesman survived the Holocaust, and eventually came to Pittsburgh.
Sam Gottesman, 95, in his Squirrel Hill apartment in Pittsburgh. Gottesman survived the Holocaust, and eventually came to Pittsburgh.

Behind a bureau in Sam Gottesman's Squirrel Hill apartment — blocks from the Tree of Life Synagogue — is a collage of photos from his life. There are pictures of family gatherings, his wedding — and some grainy black and white photos of people in prison uniforms."This is the liberation in Hanover," he says, pointing to the camp in Germany he was in when the war ended. Five men are staring at the camera, their faces gaunt, but smiling. He explains the photo was taken by an American soldier.He was at synagogue last Saturday morning, when news of a shooting at a different temple — Tree of Life — raced through the building."The news came right over when the first shooting happened," he says. "We didn't know details, but we knew something happened."Soon enough the details would come through — 11 dead, shot by a man who said he wanted to kill Jews. Gottesman wasn't shocked that something like this could happen here.What happened at the Tree of Life is like "what happened 70 years back ... only on a small scale."Anti-Semitism is something he's been living with his whole life, he says."The world considers me [a] Jew," he says, and some people think Jews are "something different than the rest of the world."Gottesman was born in 1923, in the former Czechoslovakia. He survived the Holocaust, but most of his family did not. One day, they were evicted from the ghetto they were living in, and sent on a train to Auschwitz.When they got off the train, Gottesman went with other able-bodied men in one direction."And then we saw the elderly, women, children, on the other side, they were ordered to walk somewhere," Gottesman says. "That was the last time we saw our families."Gottesman was shipped to a series of work camps, and later liberated by American troops. Eventually, he came to Pittsburgh.Down the hall from Gottesman lives another Holocaust survivor from what is now Belarus, Moshe Baran.During World War II, Baran managed to escape a Nazi work camp, and joined a group called the Jewish Partisans. They were resistance fighters that lived in the forests. They fought Nazis and saved as many Jews as they could. Their story was portrayed in the 2008 film "Defiance."Baran managed to save his brother, sister, and mother from the ghetto they were living in, but not his father and another sister. One day they and 900 other Jews from his village were evicted from their homes, and forced to march."I always imagine my father holding my little sister's hand ... I'm not sure they knew where they were going," he says. "Ten minutes later they were gone, finished."Baran says soldiers gunned them down from behind.After the war, he eventually made his way to America.He says he isn't surprised there are still "pockets of poison," as he calls it, in the U.S."I have gotten a lot of shocks in my life," he says.Baran turns 98 next month, and still speaks publicly about his experiences in the Holocaust.He called the rise of Holocaust denial, a common thread in the far right anti-Semitism the alleged killer Robert Bowers was a part of, "disgusting.""Somebody here's gonna tell me it didn't happen," he says. If the Holocaust never happened, he says "where's my father, where's my sister, where's my grandmother. Where are my uncles, my cousins?"Asked what he would do with the alleged killer, who posted hate for the Jews online because they helped refugees, Moshe Baran stops to think."I would like him to see people helping people — and if he didn't like refugees --I would like him to see people coming here, settling down," Baran says. "I would like to punish him by letting him see what [he] didn't want to see. This would be my punishment."Reid Frazier is a reporter at The Allegheny Front and StateImpact Pennsylvania. Copyright 2018 NPR. To see more, visit https://www.npr.org/.