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What Ketanji Brown Jackson can expect to hear from Republicans this week

WASHINGTON, DC - MARCH 17: U.S. Supreme Court nominee Ketanji Brown Jackson poses for photographs while visiting Sen. Deb Fischer (R-NE) in her office in the Russell Senate Office Building on Capitol Hill on March 17, 2022 in Washington, DC. Judge Jackson continued to meet with senators ahead of her confirmation hearings which are scheduled to being Monday. (Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)
Republican senators will scrutinize Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson's long record during her confirmation hearings for the Supreme Court that begin Monday.

The thesaurus has no synonyms for the phrase "confirmation hearing." That's because it's a unique beast. Unique because it is like no other. And beast because when it comes to a Supreme Court nomination, it is treacherous for the nominee, while offering enormous opportunities for her questioners.

Keep that in mind as the Senate Judiciary Committee opens hearings Monday on the nomination of Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson to the U.S. Supreme Court.

If confirmed, she would be the first Black woman to serve on the nation's highest court, and she would be one of four women on the court, the largest number ever to serve at one time.

Republicans Preview Their Attacks

Judge Jackson's lengthy and diverse background as a lawyer and judge seems to have defused any notion that she is not qualified. And so far, Republican leaders have taken only indirect swipes at her.

"We're in the middle of a violent crime wave including soaring rates of homicides, and carjackings," Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell opined last week, adding, "Amid all this, the soft on crime brigade is squarely in Judge Jackson's corner."

Note that he didn't actually say anything about Jackson herself. That may be because Republicans know the optics of personally attacking a Black woman are less than ideal. Not to mention that Jackson comes from a family of law enforcement officers and has the endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police.

Then too, Republicans know there is already a conservative super-majority on the court, and even if Jackson is a liberal, it won't change the balance of power on the court, as she has been nominated to fill the seat of the liberal justice she once clerked for, Stephen Breyer, who is retiring.

Nonetheless at this week's hearings, Jackson will have her critics. Plenty of them. Among other things, they will focus on her record on the bench — eight years as a trial judge, and eight months on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia.

Republican Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., got a head start last week, posting a series of tweets alleging that Jackson has "an alarming pattern" of sentencing child pornography offenders to prison terms that are below those recommended by the sentencing guidelines.

The White House adamantly disputed Hawley's claim. "The facts are that in the vast majority of cases involving child sex crimes, broadly, the sentences Judge Jackson imposed were consistent with or above what the government or [the] U.S. probation office recommended," said White House press secretary Jen Psaki on Friday.

According to the U.S. Sentencing Commission, on which Jackson served, there is wide agreement among prosecutors, defense attorneys, probation officers and judges that the sentencing guidelines, set by Congress nearly two decades ago for child pornography, have become outdated with the rise of the internet. Consequently, less than a third of offenders convicted of possessing child pornography are sentenced within the guidelines.

Political Theater

Among the Republicans expected to be most hostile in their questioning this week are Hawley, Tom Cotton of Arkansas and Ted Cruz of Texas. It's no accident that all three harbor presidential ambitions. For them, these hearings are their time to strut their stuff, much as some of the Democrats did in questioning Donald Trump's three Supreme Court nominees. This time, though, the Democrats will be playing defense.

"Often these hearings become sort of kabuki theater," observes NYU law professor Melissa Murray. "The senators get to play out various soundbites that are later repurposed and repackaged" for a larger audience.

Still, the Senate does have the constitutional authority, and duty, to advise and consent to Supreme Court nominations. In modern times, that means trying to find out what a nominee's views are and, sometimes, to discredit her.

If past is prologue, that could be a challenge. The Trump and Obama Supreme Court nominees were well schooled in saying as little as possible, and Judge Jackson is no newbie to this dance. This is her fourth confirmation hearing, although this one is definitely in a different league.

Conservatives in particular want to know if she interprets the Constitution as its words were understood at the time the Constitution was adopted. Or does she view the Constitution as establishing broad principles that can be applied to modern times and circumstances.

"I've been very surprised at what I consider to be her evasiveness in terms of talking about whether she has a judicial philosophy," says John Malcolm, vice president of the conservative Heritage Foundation's Institute for Constitutional Government. He points to Jackson's testimony last June when she was nominated to the D.C. Court of Appeals.

"She said that she doesn't have a judicial philosophy per se. I find that very surprising for somebody who went to Harvard Law school, clerked for three federal judges, including a justice, and ha[d] been a sitting judge at the time for eight years," Malcolm said.

An Unrevealing Judicial Record

But conservative libertarian Erik Jaffe, policy director of a First Amendment advocacy group, counters that Judge Jackson's record isn't much help because the job of a district court judge is to follow precedent. "How can you tell what a judge or justice will do once given a certain measure of discretion based upon what they did when they didn't have discretion?" he asks. "The answer is, you really can't."

There are, of course, some noteworthy Jackson decisions. Most prominent was a decision ordering President Donald Trump's former White House counsel, Don McGahn, to appear before the House Judiciary Committee to testify in its investigation of alleged Russian interference in the 2016 elections.

"Presidents are not kings," she wrote. "That means that they do not have subjects bound by loyalty or blood, whose destiny they are entitled to control." Ultimately McGahndid testify after the Justice Department, by then under the control of the Biden administration, reached an agreement with the committee.

In another case, Jackson ruled that the use of the F-word at a protest rally was not grounds for arrest, but as in so many of her cases, the decision turned on a different, more technical, issue.

The fact is that the bread and butter of the federal courts in Washington, D.C., is administrative law. Does an agency have authority to pass this set of regulations? Did it follow proper procedure? Are its reasons for regulating this way properly justified? And most of these cases do not involve big public controversies.

Because of that, there is a way in which Jackson "has been genetically engineered for this moment," says professor Murray. "She has been on two courts that deal primarily with the sort of arcane administrative law issues that don't touch on hot-button questions that could be fodder in a confirmation hearing." Indeed, adds Murray, Jackson's docket has been "super boring."

So don't be surprised if senators also focus on Jackson's career before she became a judge — her years as vice chair of the U.S. Sentencing Commission and the clients she represented as a public defender and in private practice.

During her confirmation hearing for the court of appeals last April, Sen. Cruz questioned her about a brief that she wrote on behalf of a group of retired judges in a case involving detainees then held in Guantanamo Bay. The judges wanted to file a brief arguing that evidence obtained by torture should not be admissible in the prisoner's subsequent trial.

Cruz noted that this was a pro bono case and suggested that lawyers rarely work for free unless the client's position reflects their own views. Jackson, however, emphasized that the case was assigned to her by her employer, a large law firm. "But did you agree with the position you were advocating?" Cruz followed up. Again Jackson deflected. "I didn't have a personal view really ... other than just to make sure that I was making the most convincing argument that I could make on behalf of my clients," she said.

Monday will be Jackson's easiest on the witness stand. All she has to do is read an opening statement after the senators — 22 of them — make their opening remarks. But Tuesday and Wednesday will be grueling. If the senators all use up their allotted time, she will be answering questions for more than 18 hours — a marathon.

The one saving grace for every nominee is that senators love to talk and the more they do, the less time there is for the nominee to answer. Proving that silence, in a confirmation hearing, truly is golden. Copyright 2022 NPR. To see more, visit https://www.npr.org.

Transcript :

A MARTINEZ, HOST:

The Senate Judiciary Committee opens hearings today on the nomination of Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson to the Supreme Court. If confirmed, she would be the first Black woman to serve on the nation's highest court. NPR legal affairs correspondent Nina Totenberg has this preview.

NINA TOTENBERG, BYLINE: The thesaurus has no synonyms for the phrase confirmation hearing. That's because it's a unique beast. Unique because it's like no other. And beast because when it comes to a Supreme Court nomination, it is treacherous for the nominee while offering enormous opportunities for her questioners. Judge Jackson's lengthy and diverse background as a lawyer and judge seems to have defused any notion that she's not qualified. And so far, Republican leaders have taken only indirect swipes at her. Here, for instance, is Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell.

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MITCH MCCONNELL: We're in the middle of a violent crime wave, including soaring rates of homicides and carjackings. Amid all this, the soft-on-crime brigade is squarely in Judge Jackson's corner.

TOTENBERG: Note that he didn't actually say anything about Jackson herself. That may be because Republicans know the optics of personally attacking a Black woman are less than ideal, not to mention that Jackson comes from a family of law enforcement officers and has been endorsed by the Fraternal Order of Police. It is Jackson's record on the bench - eight years as a trial judge and eight months on the court of appeals - that will likely be the focus of these hearings. Republican Senator Josh Hawley last week got a head start, tweeting a series of posts that said Jackson has, quote, "an alarming pattern" of sentencing child pornography offenders to prison terms that are below those recommended by the government. But White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki adamantly disputed that assertion.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

JEN PSAKI: The facts are that in the vast majority of cases involving child sex crimes broadly, the sentences Judge Jackson imposed were consistent with or above what the government or U.S. probation recommended.

TOTENBERG: Some Republicans on the committee are likely to be particularly hostile to Jackson, among them Hawley of Missouri, Tom Cotton of Arkansas and Ted Cruz of Texas. It's no accident that all three senators harbor presidential ambitions. And for them, as well as others on the judiciary committee, including Democrats, these hearings are their time to shine. As NYU Law Professor Melissa Murray puts it...

MELISSA MURRAY: Often, these hearings become kabuki theater, where the senators get to play out various soundbites that are later repurposed and repackaged.

TOTENBERG: That said, the Senate does have the constitutional authority to advise and consent to Supreme Court nominations. And in modern times, at least, that means trying to find out what a nominee's views are and sometimes to discredit her. That could be difficult if past is prologue. Certainly, the Trump and Obama Supreme Court nominees were well-schooled in saying very little. And Judge Jackson is no newbie to confirmation hearings. This is her fourth. Although, this one is definitely in a different league. Conservatives, in particular, want to know if she interprets the Constitution as its words were understood at the time it was adopted. Or does she view the Constitution as a statement of broad principles that can be applied to modern times?

JOHN MALCOLM: I've been very surprised at what I consider to be her evasiveness in terms of talking about whether she has a judicial philosophy.

TOTENBERG: John Malcolm, a vice president of the Conservative Heritage Foundation, points to Jackson's testimony last year when she was nominated to the D.C. Court of Appeals.

MALCOLM: She said that she doesn't have a judicial philosophy, per se. I find that very surprising for somebody who went to Harvard Law School, clerked for three federal judges, including a justice, and has been a sitting judge at the time for eight years now. You would think that she would have some kind of judicial philosophy.

TOTENBERG: But as conservative libertarian Erik Jaffe observes...

ERIK JAFFE: Given the constraints on district court judges, the obligation to follow precedence, how can you tell what a judge or justice will do once given a certain measure of discretion based upon what they did when they didn't have discretion? And the answer is, you really can't. We don't know.

TOTENBERG: There are, of course, some interesting Jackson decisions, most prominent was a decision ordering President Trump's former White House counsel, Don McGahn, to appear before the House Judiciary Committee to testify in its probe of alleged Russian interference in the 2016 elections. Presidents are not kings, she wrote. That means they do not have subjects bound by loyalty or blood, whose destiny they're entitled to control. Eventually, McGahn did testify in 2021 after the Justice Department, by then under the control of the Biden administration, reached an agreement with the committee on the terms of the testimony.

Jackson has also authored some other interesting opinions. In one case, for instance, ruling that the use of the F-word at a protest rally was not grounds for arrest. But, as in so many of her cases, the decision was ultimately about a different issue. The fact is that the federal courts in Washington, D.C., do not generally deal with huge, public controversies. Their bread and butter instead is administrative law. What regulations are permissible? Can they be changed by the executive branch? How and under what circumstances? Or, as Professor Murray puts it...

MURRAY: There is a way in which she has been engineered for this moment. She has been a judge on two courts that deal primarily with the sort of arcane administrative law issues that don't touch on hot-button questions that could be fodder in confirmation hearings. Their docket is super boring.

TOTENBERG: So don't be surprised if senators focus on Jackson's years as vice chair of the U.S. Sentencing Commission and her clients when she was a lawyer. Last April at her appeals court confirmation hearing, Senator Cruz asked her about a brief she filed in one of the Guantanamo detainee cases, a brief on behalf of judges arguing that evidence obtained by torture should not be admissible.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

TED CRUZ: But did you agree with the position you were advocating?

KETANJI BROWN JACKSON: I didn't have a personal view, really, other than just to make sure that I was making the most convincing argument that I could make on behalf of my clients.

TOTENBERG: Today will be her easiest on the witness stand. All she has to do is read an opening statement after the senators make opening remarks. But over the following two days, if the senators use up all their time, she'll be answering questions for more than 18 hours - a marathon. The one saving grace for every nominee is that the more the senators talk, the less time there is for the nominee. And in this case, silence is truly golden.

Nina Totenberg, NPR News, Washington.

(SOUNDBITE OF FK'S "SILENCE") Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.